• A camera project

    From Blue White@1337:3/103.4 to All on Sat Nov 6 10:50:33 2021
    Good morning!

    We have had some recent issues with some badniks in the neighborhood.
    Mostly childish stuff like shooting at windows with BB guns, busting
    bottles, etc. However, we have also had some folks rummaging through
    parked cars and a few other not so childish things.

    I have had issues mostly with the childish activity. While I expect that
    to dwindle as the weather gets cold, I have set up one of my action cameras
    in the window of the side of the house facing the street.

    I would like to use that camera for other things, so I have been looking at raspberry pi projects for security cameras. I have found some articles
    that say good things about motionEye OS. I have obtained a couple of
    pis... a 3B and a Zero W... and a Longruner camera.

    The 3B is a mid-range Canakit that came complete with a case and a NOOBS
    loaded SD card, as well as a power supply and a couple of other goodies. The Zero W is a bare-bones Vilros kit that came with a case and power supply,
    and a couple of necessary adaptors but no preformatted SD card or extras.

    I have never worked with a Zero before, or any OS other than Raspbian.

    I expect much frustration as it seems that the instructions on websites and videos never seem to cover the issues I run into with my tech projects. :)
    I will keep you all up to date on my progress.

    I am starting out with Raspberry Valley as my online info resource.
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  • From Blue White@1337:3/103.4 to All on Thu Nov 11 10:54:00 2021
    I would like to use that camera for other things, so I have been
    looking at raspberry pi projects for security cameras. I have
    found some articles that say good things about motionEye OS. I
    have obtained a couple of pis... a 3B and a Zero W... and a
    Longruner camera.

    The Zero W is a bare-bones Vilros kit that came with
    a case and power supply, and a couple of necessary adaptors but no preformatted SD card or extras.
    [...]

    I am starting out with Raspberry Valley as my online info resource.

    I wound up using the Zero, and an online tutorial that I cannot find the
    link for now! :)

    motionEye OS was actually pretty easy to install, and its settings
    really helped when it came to getting the correct camera resolution and
    other setting set up.

    The upsides to all of this... I have a fairly inexpensive camera that
    takes good enough footage *during the day* for a security camera (it is
    like I am standing at the window!) and I got to learn some things in the process.

    The downside... even with a camera that is supposed to be able to see at
    night, if you are planning to use it as a security camera, you cannot
    put it in a window or any enclosure that will keep moisture out. The IR
    lights will reflect off of the glass or plastic surface of the
    window/cover and you will not see anything at night except the
    reflection of the camera on the cover.

    I have read around and watched video about it, and it is a common issue.
    Everyone points out how great they are during the day, or when used to
    watch indoor places, but not at night outdoors. I did find one video
    where a person actually built a nature cam using a pi, pi camera, and independent IR lights. He put the lights on the outside of the
    enclosure, while keeping the pi cam and motion detector inside and
    sealed from the elements.

    He used a different camera where the IR lights are not part of the
    camera and wired it all up using a few circuit boards. Not having an electronics degree or background (his video included diagrams with
    mathematics and all!), it was above my head.

    One thing I am thinking I could use the motionEye OS and the pi for
    would be to watch and capture video from IP cameras that are meant to be outdoors. motionEye will allow this (provided the cameras are not too closed-source). That would be a little more expense, and maybe not as
    much learning or fun, but it might turn out to be the best solution.




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  • From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to Blue White on Fri Nov 19 19:17:35 2021
    I wound up using the Zero, and an online tutorial that I cannot find the link for now! :)

    The Zero definitely seems to hit the sweet spot in cost, did you find the link yet to the tutorial?

    motionEye OS was actually pretty easy to install, and its settings
    really helped when it came to getting the correct camera resolution and other setting set up.

    This sounds good, does it just work on Pi cameras or can you use any USB/Network camera?

    The upsides to all of this... I have a fairly inexpensive camera that takes good enough footage *during the day* for a security camera (it is like I am standing at the window!) and I got to learn some things in the process.

    Sounds like a really neat project, inexpensive and fun, and useful.

    The downside... even with a camera that is supposed to be able to see at night, if you are planning to use it as a security camera, you cannot
    put it in a window or any enclosure that will keep moisture out. The IR lights will reflect off of the glass or plastic surface of the window/cover and you will not see anything at night except the
    reflection of the camera on the cover.

    Ah that is a bit of a downside for sure. I wonder if there's a way to eliminate reflection.

    independent IR lights. He put the lights on the outside of the
    enclosure, while keeping the pi cam and motion detector inside and
    sealed from the elements.

    Ah that would certainly cure the issue.

    One thing I am thinking I could use the motionEye OS and the pi for
    would be to watch and capture video from IP cameras that are meant to be outdoors. motionEye will allow this (provided the cameras are not too closed-source). That would be a little more expense, and maybe not as much learning or fun, but it might turn out to be the best solution.

    Oh yes that certainly would help, and that answers my earlier question too about using USB/network cameras too.

    Thanks for this information, it's very interesting. I use ZoneMinder for my home security CCTV software and a few cheap and cheerful IP cams on my network in various locations. They're outdoor cams, and I could run all of it on my Pi, although I just run ZoneMinder in a VM on my hypervisor.

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  • From Blue White@1337:3/103.4 to MeaTLoTioN on Fri Nov 19 15:35:30 2021
    MeaTLoTioN wrote to Blue White <=-

    motionEye OS was actually pretty easy to install, and its settings
    really helped when it came to getting the correct camera resolution and other setting set up.

    This sounds good, does it just work on Pi cameras or can you use any USB/Network camera?

    It can work with other cameras also. It is supposed to work with USB
    cameras, and any network camera that can support the standard RTSP/RTMP protocols.

    The upsides to all of this... I have a fairly inexpensive camera that takes good enough footage *during the day* for a security camera (it is like I am standing at the window!) and I got to learn some things in the process.

    Sounds like a really neat project, inexpensive and fun, and useful.

    Yes, it is overall. As I pointed out, I will probably need to add some more-expensive cameras if I want night vision. The cold weather seems to
    have put a damper on the juvenile activity for now. :)

    Thanks for this information, it's very interesting. I use ZoneMinder
    for my home security CCTV software and a few cheap and cheerful IP cams
    on my network in various locations. They're outdoor cams, and I could
    run all of it on my Pi, although I just run ZoneMinder in a VM on my hypervisor.

    If I add more cameras, I would like to run motionEyes in a Virtual Box VM,
    but I am not 100% certain about emulating an ARM machine in a VM.



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  • From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to Blue White on Sun Nov 21 01:17:17 2021
    If I add more cameras, I would like to run motionEyes in a Virtual Box
    VM, but I am not 100% certain about emulating an ARM machine in a VM.

    Ah is motionEyes only for arm? Interesting, that would be a challenge. Are you fixed to use arm then? I mean in the VM, if you had to use x86 would that be a deal breaker?

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  • From Blue White@1337:3/103.4 to MeaTLoTioN on Sun Nov 21 09:21:02 2021
    MeaTLoTioN wrote to Blue White <=-

    Ah is motionEyes only for arm? Interesting, that would be a challenge.
    Are you fixed to use arm then? I mean in the VM, if you had to use x86 would that be a deal breaker?

    From what I can tell on their github website, the hardware that motionEyes
    is expected to work on are all arm based sbcs. I am not familiar with some
    of them, so there could be some intel-compatable boards on the list.


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  • From 0zZ-U@1337:3/106 to MeaTLoTioN on Mon Nov 22 12:47:40 2021
    Ah is motionEyes only for arm? Interesting, that would be a challenge.
    Are you fixed to use arm then? I mean in the VM, if you had to use x86 would that be a deal breaker?

    Hey :)
    MotionEyes is for ARM, but its core depends on "Motion" that
    can be installed and configured to work on any Linux platform

    for ex: https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/how-operate-linux-spycams-motion/


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